Curse

street peddler · Apr 03, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

i think ursan is bad for you

BlackSephir · Apr 03, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

If you're pugging, you are monks' bitch.

Gin Cometh · Apr 03, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

I think its funny that mostly its the monks that sells the sets ,abiet without ress scrolls.

StormDragonZ · Apr 03, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

I'm probably the only person in the entire GW community who still doesn't see what makes Ursan Blessing so great. I've never used it except in Blood Washes Blood.

MMSDome · Apr 03, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

find a balanced group and you wont have to QQ over this.

Joe L. · Apr 03, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by zamial

The answer is extremely obvious. You are in a PUG and not a guild group.

U.
R.
S.uch
A.
N.oob

Yet, anyone knows that only are real n*** uses the word n***.

Kusandaa · Apr 03, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by RedStar

Like someone already said, the monks are in a position of power. It's more easy to find an Ursan then to find a healing monk (I think xD).

Depends. In DOA I have little to no problems finding groups as a monk. In TOA... it's another story; seems to be much more monks after FoW/UW groups than ursans, and it has discouraged me a couple times this week x]. When I enter TOA AD1 and I see 7 or 8 monks spamming "HBoon LFG FOW HM Ursanway" while only one or two Ursans try to get a group but there's way too many monks... I just map back to my GH, lol.

zamial · Apr 03, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe L.

Yet, anyone knows that only are real n*** uses the word n***.

engrish are easy math are hard.

RedStar · Apr 03, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

Depends. In DOA I have little to no problems finding groups as a monk. In TOA... it's another story; seems to be much more monks after FoW/UW groups than ursans, and it has discouraged me a couple times this week x]. When I enter TOA AD1 and I see 7 or 8 monks spamming "HBoon LFG FOW HM Ursanway" while only one or two Ursans try to get a group but there's way too many monks... I just map back to my GH, lol.

I think it's because the monks want their FoW armor xD. And it's faster (normally) to bring a monk to ToA than to DOA.

Kusandaa · Apr 03, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by RedStar

I think it's because the monks want their FoW armor xD. And it's faster (normally) to bring a monk to ToA than to DOA.

Then they dye it black and get chaos gloves. *shudders*

But I see it now. That and FoW/UW require less time than a DoA run. Oh and the chests have "better" loot... if you're lucky enough to get an Eternal or Obsidian blade.

Johny bravo · Apr 03, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Why take 3 monks at all. You can easily Clear FoW with only 2 monks in less then an hour. Best time so far is 47 minutes. Over powered yes but this is farming so thats the point.

And like the hockey reference monks don't pay becuase they are the ones doing the job that most people don't want to do. Don't like it then find a monk who will pay.

IlikeGW · Apr 03, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Don't take any retarded ass monk like that. I ran ursanway for awhile with a friend and really the most important people are those that can lead the group, and keep them from blowing your run. THAT is a big job, PUG people are insane and keeping them from blowing a clear isn't easy. Meanwhile I haven't seen many monks doing ursanway saying it's hard work, the best always tell me it's actually trivial. So my assumption, haven't tried monking it, but... if someone wants to call all the shots just because their class, they are most likely a total idiot and bad player. Stay away.

Also, general behavior on consumables... DoA everyone pays for a full clear. UW/FoW leader pays but they expect you to play your best and have every right to never take you again if you stink.

Also, I should add, these stupid classist monks are a minority by far. Just avoid any player of any class like that and stick to sane people who aren't pitching shitfits before you're EVEN IN the mission. Huge sign they are trouble if they can't simply get along with others ASAP.

captain_carter · Apr 03, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

I think that the guy should pay for dinner on dates. It may suck, but it is still how it goes.

Think about it...

Of course the problem in this situation is: "is the girl I asked to dinner likely to have feminist views and be offended by my offer to pay for the meal?"

The thing with some women is that they will take the offer as having a hidden subtext, for example:
"so because I'm a woman and inferior I couldn't possibly be able to pay my way, I am too weak to get a job and be able to afford to pay my share of the meal, is that how you see me?"

And so the whole buisness becomes a lot more dangerous.

So my advice, if you are looking for someone to blame for your date not paying for your meal, do not blame the poor guy, blame the staunch feminists that made the whole idea so risky.

As for the debate at hand, I think Monks tend to be in shorter supply, since there is only 1/10 proffessions that is capable of doing the job (i.e. monks, yes this is starting to sound like I'm using my hypothesis as the argument) they therefore have some power over other proffessions. The question of how much "work" is involved is probably irrelevant, you choose which proffession/character you wish to play, if it's too much work for you, choose differently.
I would conclude that it is the numbers of monks 'available' that causes many of them to give themselves quite possibly undeserved power over the rest of the population. I don't thnik this is necessarily right or wrong, they may have more pwer than is deserved, but there are generally (or so I am assuming) fewer monks around and so there will (in any realistic society where greed exists) have to be some kind of extra power held by the monks.

aapo · Apr 03, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by evilseabass

It seems like the monks feel they are exempt from supplying the consumables, and I dont understand why.

- That's because it's more difficult to get a monk into party than it is to get ursan. Everyone likes to smash face with godly skills while Monks do all the boring red bars go up, get blamed at deaths and supply the team with consumables.

Randvek · Apr 03, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

I Ursan and Monk both, and if people tell me to bring cons on my Monk, I usually take a hike, or at least threaten to. An Ursan with cons is usually much easier to find than a Monk, with or without. Your mileage may vary.

In short, why do Monks get away with not bring consumables? Because they can.

Pyro maniac · Apr 03, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain_carter

Of course the problem in this situation is: "is the girl I asked to dinner likely to have feminist views and be offended by my offer to pay for the meal?"

The thing with some women is that they will take the offer as having a hidden subtext, for example:
"so because I'm a woman and inferior I couldn't possibly be able to pay my way, I am too weak to get a job and be able to afford to pay my share of the meal, is that how you see me?"

And so the whole buisness becomes a lot more dangerous.

So my advice, if you are looking for someone to blame for your date not paying for your meal, do not blame the poor guy, blame the staunch feminists that made the whole idea so risky.

The one who proposed the dinner should pay. Paying everything as a guy is a big no-no.

Same for the Ursan - Monks: Ursans groups are most likely to GLF monk. They should pay the 'dinner'.

lyra_song · Apr 03, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

If you're pugging, you are monks' bitch.

Quoted for the absolute truth.

Malakai1977 · Apr 03, 2008, 09:07 PM // 21:07

If everyone in a DOA team brings Cons, and they are used in order (first party member uses first etc), then monks rarely even have to use theirs.
monks almost always get placed at the bottom of the partylist, and since you really need only 5 consets, they get to keep theirs.

I always play my monk in DoA, and allthough i always have multiple sets along, the simple truth is: the lower you get on the partylist, the less likely you will have to use your consets

Jetdoc · Apr 03, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

Remember the monk Thunderhead Keep strike from a couple of years ago? GW still hasn't recovered, IMO...

Xx_Sorin_xX · Apr 03, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Joe L.

Yet, anyone knows that only are real n*** uses the word n***.

You do realize that by just by putting 3 asterisks instead of "oob" doesn't change the fact that you implied, and well frankly, used the word noob, right? Just wondering.

oh and on topic:

Since Guild Wars has come out the monks have taken the biggest beating in PvE by other players. What is the stereotypical response when something goes wrong? "Monk's fault" "Learn to heal better Monk" or my favorite "you suck". While deserved at times, they've been blamed more than they've been at fault more than any other class in my opinion.
Give them a break. Oh and before someone quotes this saying "Looks like your not a very good monk."...I don't monk PUG so I'm not really speaking from personal accounts about being insulted when monking.